Will my son lose his licence?

Will my son lose his licence?

My son, who has not long gained his A2 licence, was pulled over for speeding by the police, at 38mph in a 30mph zone.

The officer also wrote him up for a bald front tyre and yes, it was bald. The police officer also gave him a vehicle rectification notice for three or four little faults, such a defective numberplate, light and non-BS-approved non-reflectlve numberplate and no reflector.

My son, who needs his bike for work (he works as a night-shift warehouse operative and has no method of getting to work other than his bike) is terrified that he might lose his licence, as he has held it for less than nine months.

He was offered a driver improvement course for the speeding but is struggling to afford it, as he has had to replace his tyre and had to pay about £75 for the defects to be fixed, and a stamp from the tester.

He is a hard-working lad and has struggled to get this job as he is disabled – he is profoundly deaf. I have got no complaints about the police officer who actually called me to ensure that my son understood what he had been told.

He told me he had my son on Vascar at ‘well over 40mph’ but ‘stuck him on’ – to use his phrase – at 38mph so he could be offered the course. He also commented my son was a decent lad but he wanted him to understand that a bald front tyre is a dangerous thing to be using on cold, damp mornings.

I have done some internet research and I think my son has ‘special reasons’ but is now thoroughly confused by all sorts of contradictory information – he just wants a straight answer to his question: “Am I going to lose my licence?”


Not if he takes the driver Improvement course, 38 mph in a 30 zone at 0615 hours when your son was returning home from work would normally attract a driver police officer looking for a nick that early in the morning but lucky to get one who appears to have a level of humanity!

However, 38 (or perhaps greater speed) in a 30 in front of a fully “Battenberged” car in reflective blue and dayglow is so inattentive, I don’t think the copper had much choice but to pull him over. If your lad does not take the course, he will inevitably get three points for the speed and three points for the bald tyre. The two offences add up to six points which, under the Road Traffic (New Drivers) Act, gets your son’s licence revoked, and he will have to redo his licence.

The time runs from the date of his first full licence. So if he passed his full car test more than 24 months before the offence, he will not be banned but in any event he is definitely better off taking the driver improvement course. He will get three points for the tyre whatever happens. The ‘Fix It now’ direction from the police relates only to non-endorsable offences so he will not tot up any more points for those.

In short, your son needs to go on that course, whether he is skint or not. The fixed-penalty fine is usually more than the course. He will be a lot more skint with no job and, under the New Drivers Act, if you have six points on your licence which is less than two years old, you lose your licence. The Court cannot intervene, regardless of his circumstances. You are mixing up special reasons not to disqualify with the administrative loss of licence under the New Drivers Act.

Andrew Dalton

RiDE Magazine February 2020

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Posted by Andrew Dalton. Last modified: December 9, 2019 at 11:34 am

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Andrew Dalton
Andrew Dalton
6 months ago

I have to be honest with you John, I disagree with you. You cannot put an old head on young shoulders. At 18 I had a despatch nail which was held together with zip straps and gaffer tape and running on teflon and concrete tyre compound. Also, these days, kids don’t tinker about with push bikes and lack basic mechanical skills because bikes are so fiendishly complicated. This lad is in full time work, he has his own issues and anyone working nights is a grafter. I just didn’t want his parents to think that because this lad had some issues (and it was his parents who approached me, not the lad) he would be treated differently. The copper probably gave him an easier ride than a lad who got a gob on and he needed to take the opportunity offered.

John Whiley
John Whiley
6 months ago

This sounds like typical teenager today, who have no respect and don’t give a ‘monkeys’ about the state of their bike. I have been riding for 57 years and am appalled by that attitude. I, like most ‘real’ bikers, treat my bike as my best friend. this kid should have the book thrown at him.

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